One
of the things I have meant to do on this blog (aside from writing regularly,
which never seems to happen despite my best intentions) is to round up popular
atheist memes and see how they fare when given a close inspection. I did this
once already with the hilariously bad Sinai Bible meme, which remains
my most popular article, so when I came across this atheist penguin meme that
made me hoot with laughter, I knew I needed to have a crack at this one as
well.
Who wouldn't love a penguin named Eric? |
When I say I hooted with laughter, I mean it. Despite the fact the
objection housed within the Eric the God-eating Penguin meme is actually weak
and is easily demonstrated as false, I could see the humorous side of both the
penguin element and the attempt to parody the structure of the Ontological
Argument for God's existence.
At
the same time this meme is wildly popular on Twitter, with many people sharing
it like it's a good argument against the existence of God. But is it really?
Let's take closer look.
To summarise
the God-eating Penguin objection, if Eric exists, he eats God and renders God
non-existent. If it's possible to prove that Eric doesn't exist, then the same
proof will render God non-existent. The structure of the argument is to force a
dilemma in which both branches end with God not existing. The author's first
challenge is to prove that Eric doesn't exist.
Challenge accepted.
Eric is Logically Impossible
There are
certain types of things that can never exist. Not only do they not exist in
this particular universe, but they could not exist in any possible universe.
Their existence is completely impossible, because they violate logic. Such
things include contradictions-in-terms, for example married bachelors or square
circles - in fact I hesitate to call them things, because in reality
these are just meaningless phrases, a conglomeration of contradictory words
that don't refer to anything that can actually exist.
Sadly for
Eric, God-eating penguins also end up falling into this category of logically
impossible things that cannot exist. How so? The key is in understanding what
we mean when we talk of God.
One of the
persistent weaknesses in internet-warrior atheistic critiques of the idea of
God is that they generally attack their own "straw man in the sky"
caricature of God and fail to engage with the philosophically robust hypothesis
that informed Christians offer. If God is just an unembodied sky-man, then
sure, there's nothing about Eric that violates logic. But that's not what
Christians mean when we talk about God.
Drawing from
the Cosmological arguments, Christians posit God as the "uncaused first
cause", the thing that everything else derives its existence from. If we
follow the chain of cause and effect backwards through time and space, then to
avoid an infinite regress of causes, we must arrive at a first, primary cause.
This first cause exists independently of other things, and therefore the effects
that it produces (everything contained within the universe) exist secondarily,
in a dependent way.
Philosophers
call this "contingent" existence. Everything within the universe -
every person, every tree, every atom and molecule of every physical element,
exists contingently. They don't logically HAVE to exist, it's quite possible
there could be a universe without me, or without you. You exist because you
were caused to exist by factors and agents external to yourself.
But the very
first existent thing must be uncaused, otherwise we end up in a nonsensical
infinite regress of causes. So the first cause is not contingent, depending on
outside factors to exist, but rather it exists necessarily, in and of itself.
It exists with logical necessity. It MUST exist.
And that's
where Eric the God-eating Penguin smashes beak-first into the impenetrable wall
of logical impossibility.
If God, the
uncaused first cause, exists, then he has necessary existence. He cannot stop
existing because it is logically impossible for him to do so. And therefore a
penguin that causes a necessarily-existent being to stop existing violates
logic in the same way that a married bachelor does, or a square circle. Such a
creature is a contradiction-in-terms, entailing a logical impossibility - and
therefore cannot exist in any possible universe.
And if he
doesn't exist, then of course, he can't eat God anyway.
God is Logically Possible
The author
goes on to make a second claim which also needs examination, saying:
"... and even if you can prove that Eric doesn't exist, that same proof will also be applicable to God."
I have shown
that Eric is not able to exist because he is logically impossible, but it is
unclear why the author presumes that this evidence also disproves the idea that
God exists. There is no sense in which the concept of God entails a logical
impossibility in the same way that Eric does.
If there was
a logical flaw in the concept of God, this would be how serious academic-level
atheists would refute the Ontological Argument. It would be the silver bullet
that would end the God hypothesis once and for all. But it does not exist,
because God is logically possible.
This premise
in the argument is false, because the proof that shows that Eric does not exist
fails to concurrently show that God does not exist.
Eric is Practically Impossible
There is
another sense in which this scenario is impossible. Eric is a penguin, and just
as the word God evokes certain properties or qualities, so the word penguin has
a specific and limited use. Penguins are animals, creatures who live in the
physical realm. Any non-physical penguin would not actually be a penguin - it
would be entirely something else.
Similarly, eating is a physical act, the process of one physical organism materially consuming another. Everything that can be "eaten" is made of atoms and molecules arranged in the three dimensions of space.
This creates a practical problem for Eric, because if it was somehow logically possible for him to exist, there's no way he could actually eat God. When we say God, we are not referring to a physical object that can be eaten by a physical creature. God is spirit, he is an immaterial mind that is causally active in all locations in space, but not present physically at any finite location.
Practically speaking, it is impossible for physical Eric to physically eat an immaterial God.
Claiming that Eric is God-eating "by definition" will not get us there, because this definition causes both a logical and a practical impossibility. When Christian philosophers and apologists defend the concept of God by appealing to his defining qualities, they aren't causing logical or practical impossibilities, so it's not the same thing. If you want to argue this point, feel free, but please provide specific examples.
The Dilemma
Eric's
creator would like us to believe that the two horns of his dilemma lead
inescapably to the conclusion that God does not exist. But on closer
inspection, using logic correctly, we find this to be untrue. Eric proves to be logically impossible, and the premise that any disproof of Eric will also disprove God turns out to be false. This is a twice dead objection.
Nothing I've said here proves that God exists - all I've done is disproven the existence of Eric and dismantled the objection that he can prevent God from existing. But for those who believe that there is no positive evidence for the existence God, I invite you to read some of the articles on my website and on the sites I link to. The open-minded reader will find plenty to consider.
Sorry Eric. I do like penguins, just not logically impossible ones.
Agree? Disagree? Please comment below, or feel free to direct any queries, responses or criticisms to my Twitter page, where they will be gratefully received. You can find me at https://twitter.com/WarrantedFaith
erik the god-eating penguin is magical, god is supernatural.
ReplyDeleteerik is a tool to help us explain were the burden of proof lies, since disproving the non-existent is impossible.
Is being magical advantageous somehow over being supernatural? If so can you show how?
ReplyDeleteDoes Eric exist? No. But I thoroughly disproved him in the article above, demonstrating how he is both logically and practically impossible. So yes, it is possible to disprove the non-existent.
I agree that the idea that God exists comes with a burden of proof - equally atheists own the burden of proof for an idea such as "naturalism is true", which they need to present evidence in support of.
So your argument is Eric doesn't exist because God exists?
ReplyDeleteThat's pretty tautological. I can just as easily 'prove' that God doesn't exist because the Hindu gods do.
Thanks for your comment Throwback. Actually no, my argument is that Eric doesn't exist because he is logically and practically impossible. A God-eating penguin cannot exist in any possible universe.
DeleteWhile that line of argumentation does presuppose the existence of God, so did the thought experiment under discussion.
I'm interested in you fleshing out your claim that the existence of Hindu gods would prove the non-existence of God. Please elaborate!
"If God, the uncaused first cause, exists, then he has necessary existence."
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing which exists whose non-existence entails a contradiction. There are, therefore, no necessary beings. It doesn't follow that the cause of the universe MUST be a necessary being.
Thanks for the comment EzyRider. You claim that nothing exists whose non-existence entails a contradiction. What would you advance as evidence for that claim? If you don't offer any, then it's a mere assertion.
DeleteAlso it's a circular argument. A being whose non-existence entails a contradiction would be a necessary being. You're essentially saying that a) there are no necessary beings, therefore b) there are no necessary beings.
But your arguement for God's existence is a circular argument also. So AKA God doesn't exist.
DeleteCould you please explain how it is circular
DeleteWell only when you phrase it like that it seems circular
DeleteIt's not so much that Eric the God Eating Penguin is a bad argument, but that it's a good example of why using the Ontological argument for God's existence is a bad idea.
ReplyDeleteHi Thomas, thanks for leaving a comment. I have to disagree, Eric the God Eating Penguin is an extremely bad argument. It's fundamentally illogical, and arguments don't get any worse than that.
DeleteI do agree that the Ontological argument isn't a good argument for convincing people about the existence of God, but that's mostly because it's too weighty for the interests and needs of most people. It took me months of puzzling and reading to realise that it was a solid logical argument. I don't tend to use it much for that reason - it has little communication value in short exchanges of ideas.
It is however still a logically valid argument that hasn't been refuted adequately (to refute it you need to demonstrate that God is logically impossible - nobody has quite managed that yet).
Your explanation is an example of a false premise.
ReplyDeleteYes, we atheists use Eric, or the FSM, or Russel's Teapot to expose and illustrate the argument from ignorance fallacy. Yes, it is specifically arguing against the magical man in the sky you termed as god.
You're suggesting that god simply means the uncaused cause. That matter had to come from somewhere. And that it's not just a sky wizard caricature. However, there is no reason to believe that there needs to be a cause for matter. That's the watchmaker fallacy. I know you truly believe there has to be a cause, but there's no proof of that we we honestly don't know if there was a cause, or if there is an infinite regress, or if matter is a consequence of something else entirely (a side effect or illusion). Claiming there has to be a cause is simply incorrect.
Then there's the fact that you do ascribe qualities to that cause that are implausible. Even if there was a purposeful creator to matter and the universe, there's no reason to assume it knows about or cares about humans. There's no reason to assume it has emotions. There's no reason to assume it resembles life, or that it's intelligent, or that it continues to exist. Regardless of how apologetic your argument gets, you are still trying to say that there must be a force out there, and that it must have a reason for creating us specifically, and that a god is a reasonable explanation for it, and that is no more reasonable than the existence of a Flying Spaghetti Monster or a god eating penguin or a teapot floating between Earth and Mars.
I agree with this completely. I have to state however that you missed some good evidence. The claim against God is, in the specified case, agreeing to the existence of God, and all of his given qualities, One being essential to life, another being immortal. If he is essential to life, and this so called "magic penguin" is indeed an animal, thus being alive, would die. God would resurrect, being immortal, and he would carry on existing, despite Eric being dead.
ReplyDeleteHope you read this!
How about Eric the immortal magical god eating penguin who cures immortality of anyone/anything who/which it eats?
DeleteI’m going to stop you right there because you modified the argument to the point where it breaks it you created a god basically and made the argument null and void because it modified to the point where the purpose was destroyed
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